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| 1 | +# Node Foundation TSC Meeting 2015-09-16 |
| 2 | + |
| 3 | +## Links |
| 4 | + |
| 5 | +* **Audio Recording**: https://soundcloud.com/node-foundation/tsc-meeting-2015-09-16 |
| 6 | +* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/2898 |
| 7 | +* **Minutes Google Doc**: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCR2pGOc2d80NNusaX5DZaktWvHEsDUqfEZP-tvexBk |
| 8 | +* _Previous Minutes Google Doc: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXBdtsD9PJTExNXgzNZ9bez9oOjW45kLPjun4zdt0dY>_ |
| 9 | + |
| 10 | +## Present |
| 11 | + |
| 12 | +* Rod Vagg (TSC) |
| 13 | +* Brian White (TSC) |
| 14 | +* Steven R Loomis |
| 15 | +* Fedor Indutny (TSC) |
| 16 | +* Bert Belder (TSC) |
| 17 | +* Colin Ihrig (TSC) |
| 18 | +* Trevor Norris (TSC) |
| 19 | +* Shigeki Ohtsu (TSC) |
| 20 | +* Chris Dickinson (TSC) |
| 21 | +* Jeremiah Senkpiel (TSC) |
| 22 | +* Ben Noordhuis (TSC) |
| 23 | +* Alexis Campailla (TSC) |
| 24 | +* Domenic Denicola |
| 25 | +* Michael Dawson |
| 26 | + |
| 27 | +## Agenda |
| 28 | + |
| 29 | +Extracted from **tsc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests in the nodejs org prior to meeting. |
| 30 | + |
| 31 | +### nodejs/node-v0.x-archive |
| 32 | + |
| 33 | +* Deprecate Array#values() in 0.12.x [#25877](https://github.com/nodejs/node-v0.x-archive/issues/25877) |
| 34 | +* Deprecate smalloc in v0.12 [#25784](https://github.com/nodejs/node-v0.x-archive/issues/25784) |
| 35 | + |
| 36 | +### nodejs/node |
| 37 | + |
| 38 | +* Inspecting Node.js with Chrome DevTools [#2546](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/2546) |
| 39 | +* util: Remove p, has been deprecated for years [#2529](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/2529) |
| 40 | + |
| 41 | +## Minutes |
| 42 | + |
| 43 | +Due to IBM’s acquisition of StrongLoop, IBM is over the TSC 25% company limit rule. Michael Dawson and Steven Loomis have stepped down from TSC, but they are here as observers. |
| 44 | + |
| 45 | +### Standup |
| 46 | + |
| 47 | +* Rod Vagg: Released 4.0.0, also 3.3.1 maintenance release. Getting the build system ready for building/publishing 0.10 and 0.12 binaries. |
| 48 | +* Brian White: not much, triaging issues and PRs, some work on dns parser |
| 49 | +* Steven R Loomis: tsc resignation for IBM/SL merge, some issue triage, working on a more robust download for ICU (ICU server was overloaded, fixed to ICU again redirects to sourceforge, discussed longer term discussions) |
| 50 | +* Fedor Indutny: v8’s ArrayBuffer fixes, reviewing PRs, fixing issues |
| 51 | +* Bert Belder: very few reviews/issue comments. Some libuv work on rwlocks. |
| 52 | +* Colin Ihrig: not much, some issue tracker work |
| 53 | +* Trevor Norris: Trying to make things (including Buffers) faster, some issue/PR review |
| 54 | +* Shigeki Ohtsu: Just a few reviews of issues. |
| 55 | +* Chris Dickinson: Working on shoving static npm analysis data into a database, slowly |
| 56 | +* Jeremiah Senkpiel: NodeConf.eu, issues and PRs, 4.1.0 release |
| 57 | +* Ben Noordhuis: only PR review and responding to bug reports, a patch or two upstreamed to v8 |
| 58 | +* Alexis Campailla: ARM cross-compile for CI. Misc fixes for VS 2015 / Win10 |
| 59 | +* Domenic Denicola: some issue and PR review, talking with v8 team |
| 60 | +* Michael Dawson: landed the build updated for AIX, also updating the tests for AIX where necessary. Looking into PPC failures. Working on getting us hooked into v8 security notifications. |
| 61 | + |
| 62 | +### Previous meeting’s agenda |
| 63 | + |
| 64 | +* Jenkins merge jobs always overwrites PR-URL and Reviewed-By [#179](https://github.com/nodejs/build/issues/179) |
| 65 | +* doc: update COLLABORATOR_GUIDE [#2638](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/2638) |
| 66 | +* deps: update v8 to 4.5.103.30 [#2632](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/2632) |
| 67 | +* Node.js v4 Release Timeline [#2522](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/2522) |
| 68 | +* Inspecting Node.js with Chrome DevTools [#2546](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/2546) |
| 69 | + |
| 70 | +### Deprecate Array#values() in 0.12.x [#25877](https://github.com/nodejs/node-v0.x-archive/issues/25877) |
| 71 | + |
| 72 | +### Deprecate smalloc in v0.12 [#25784](https://github.com/nodejs/node-v0.x-archive/issues/25784) |
| 73 | + |
| 74 | +Jeremiah: Are these things that we think we can do? Should we go ahead with that? Is it a good idea to deprecate these things? |
| 75 | + |
| 76 | +Ben: How are we going to deprecate? Literal `util.deprecate`? |
| 77 | + |
| 78 | +Jeremiah: Probably? |
| 79 | + |
| 80 | +Trevor: They’re already floating a patch |
| 81 | + |
| 82 | +Rod: I’m fine with deprecating smalloc |
| 83 | + |
| 84 | +Trevor: Is there a deprecation cycle between LTS? I’m not sure how this would work? (i.e., if we deprecate now, LTS -> LTS upgraders will not see a deprecation warning.) |
| 85 | + |
| 86 | +Rod: Maybe punt to LTS WG? It could be quite a lot — it could be that we decide between stable versions to remove things (or we’re forced to), do we backport the deprecation to LTS? |
| 87 | + |
| 88 | +Jeremiah: I think it should be only for things we’re _forced_ to remove |
| 89 | + |
| 90 | +Action: Punt to LTS WG |
| 91 | + |
| 92 | +### Inspecting Node.js with Chrome DevTools [#2546](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/2546) |
| 93 | + |
| 94 | +Trevor: Have an 80% understanding of the work needed: WebSocket support in core (though not necessarily exposed publicly), API injection points. Are we ok with including web sockets support one way or another? |
| 95 | + |
| 96 | +Rod, Domenic, others: +1 |
| 97 | + |
| 98 | +### util: Remove p, has been deprecated for years [#2529](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/2529) |
| 99 | + |
| 100 | +Discussion of Buffer “raw{s,}” encoding as well — undocumented, deprecated, inconsistently implemented in core. |
| 101 | + |
| 102 | +Action: Remove util.p (Jeremiah to respond.) |
| 103 | + |
| 104 | +Bert: Perhaps we should bulk remove? |
| 105 | + |
| 106 | +Rod: util.p is relatively trivial, has a deprecation warning, etc. |
| 107 | + |
| 108 | +Jeremiah: Brought this up because these things have been deprecated forever. util.exec has been deprecated for a while, as well. |
| 109 | + |
| 110 | +Trevor: raw/raws are deprecated in name only, no warnings, but C++ layer does not know about them (falls back to utf8) — maybe should be removed as a bugfix, because it does not work consistently. |
| 111 | + |
| 112 | +Action: Chris to list “least used stuff” (with apologies for how longs its taken!) |
| 113 | + |
| 114 | +### Next Meeting |
| 115 | + |
| 116 | +September 23 |
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