calling GF(2)**2 breaks CyclicPermutationGroup(10).algebra(GF(5))

[dimpase]

As reported on sage-devel
this is fine:

sage: CyclicPermutationGroup(10).algebra(GF(5))
Group algebra of Cyclic group of order 10 as a permutation group over Finite Field of size 5
sage: GF(2)^2
Vector space of dimension 2 over Finite Field of size 2

now, start a new Sage session:

sage: GF(2)^2
Vector space of dimension 2 over Finite Field of size 2
sage: CyclicPermutationGroup(10).algebra(GF(5))
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
TypeError                                 Traceback (most recent call last)
[...]
TypeError: Cannot create a consistent method resolution
order (MRO) for bases FiniteSets.subcategory_class, VectorSpaces.WithBasis.subcategory_class, FiniteDimensionalModulesWithBasis.subcategory_class

CC: @kwankyu @nthiery

Component: categories

Issue created by migration from https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/20896

[dimpase]

comment:1

Creatures from Sage Import Hell staring at you here...

[tscrim]

comment:2

See also #20460 and #15475.

[nthiery]

comment:3

Issue analysis

Scratching this itch and similar ones we have been getting, I have
been pondering these last days about the handling of "over base ring"
categories in Sage.

The issue is that, by design, A3=Algebras(GF(3)) and
A5=Algebras(GF(5)) share the same element/parent/... classes.
However the MRO for such classes is built to be consistent with a
total order on categories, and that total order is built dynamically
using little context; so hard to keep consistent. Hence the order we
get for A3 and A5 need not be the same, and the MRO basically depends
on which one has been built first. If one builds alternatively larger
and larger hierarchies for GF(5) and GF(3) we are likely to hit an
inconsistency at some point.

Aim: toward singleton categories

This, together with other stuff I do (e.g. [1]) with colleagues from
other systems (GAP, MMT, ...), finished to convince me that most of
our categories should really be singleton categories, and not be
parametrized.

Let's see what this means for categories over a ring like
Algebras. I originally followed the tradition of Axiom and MuPAD by
having them be systematically parametrized by the base ring. However
the series of issues we faced and are still facing shows that this
does not scale.

Instead, to provide generic code, tests, ... we want a collection of
singleton categories like:

• modules over rings
• vector spaces (e.g. modules over fields)
• polyonials over PIDs

After all, the code provided in e.g. ParentMethods will always be
the same, regardless of the parameters of the category (well, that's
not perfectly true; there were idioms for this in Axiom and MuPAD
which we could try to port over).

Of course, there can be cases, e.g. for typechecking, where it's handy
to model some finer category like Algebras(GF(3)). However such
categories should really be implemented as thin wrappers on top of the
previous ones.

We had already discussed approaches in this direction, in particular
with Simon. #15801 was a first step, but remaing issues show that this
is not enough.

Proposition of design

We keep our current Category_over_base_ring's (Modules,
Algebras, HopfAlgebras, ...). However they now are all singleton
categories, meant to be called as:

• Modules() -> Modules over rings
• Algebras() -> Algebras over rings

Whenever some of the above category needs to be refined depending on
the properties on the base ring, we define some appropriate axiom.
E.g. VectorSpaces() would be Modules().OverFields(). And we could
eventually have categories like Modules().OverPIDs(),
Polynomials().OverPIDs().

Now what happens if one calls Algebras(QQ)?

As a syntactical sugar, this returns the join Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ).

Fine, now what's this latter gadget? It's merely a place holder with two roles:

• Store the information that the base ring is QQ

• Investigate, upon construction, the properties of the base ring and
  set axioms appropriately (e.g. in this case OverFields).

Implementation details

• In effect, Modules().Over(QQ) is pretty similar to a category with
  axiom. First in terms of syntax; also the handling of pretty
  printing will be of the same nature (we want the join
  Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ)
  to be printed as algebras over QQ).

• However, at this stage, we can't implement it directly using axioms
  since those are not parametrized. One option would be to generalize
  our axiom infrastructure to support parameters; however it's far
  from clear that we actually want to have this feature, and how it
  should be implemented. So I am inclined to not overengineer for now.

• Some care will be needed for subcategory and containment testing.

Pros, cons, points to be discussed

Pros:

• Constructing Algebras(QQ) does not require constructing any of the
  super categories Modules(QQ) and such. Instead, this just requires
  Modules(), and the like which most likely have already been
  constructed.

• There is no more need to fiddle with class creation as we used to
  do, and to have this special hack which causes Modules(QQ) to
  return VectorSpaces(QQ). This just uses the standard
  infrastructure for axioms, joins, etc.

• It's more explicit about the level of generality of the
  code. Algebras().OverFields() provide codes valid for any algebra
  over a field.

• This makes it easier for buiding static documentation: there is a
  canonical instance for Algebras() which Sphinx could inspect.

Cons:

• The hierarchy of axioms OverFields, OverPIDs, ... will somewhat
  duplicate the existing hierarchy of axioms about rings. If we start
  having many of them, that could become cumbersome.

• In a join like Algebras() & ModulesOver(QQ), there is little
  control about whether the parent class for the former or the latter
  comes first. But that's no different than what happens for other
  axioms.

• C=Algebras().Over(QQ) should definitely be a full subcategory of
  Algebras(). But this means that Modules().Over(QQ) won't appear
  in C.structure(). The base field won't appear either in
  C.axioms(). Therefore C cannot be reconstructed from its
  structure and axioms as we are generally aiming for. Maybe this is
  really calling for Over(QQ) to be an axiom.

• This should be relatively quick and straightforward to implement and
  fully backward compatible. And we have a lot of tests.

Points to be debated:

• At some point, we will want to support semirings. Should we support
  them right away by having Modules() be the category of modules
  over a semiring? Same thing for Algebras(), ... It feels like
  overkill for now, but might be annoying to change later. Also where
  does the road end? We may want to support even weaker structures at
  some point.

• What name for the axioms? OverField, or OverFields?

• We want some syntax that, given e.g. QQ as input, returns
  Algebras().OverFields(). The typical use case is within the
  constructor of a parent that takes a base ring K as input, and
  wants to use the richest category possible based on the properties
  of K, but does not specifically care that K be stored in the
  category.

  Maybe something like Algebras().Over(QQ, store_base_ring=False).

  We want this syntax to be as simple as possible, to encourage using
  it whenever there is no specific reason to do otherwise.

[1] https://github.com/nthiery/sage-gap-semantic-interface

[tscrim]

comment:4

Something I've come across is that I have wanted to check category containment of objects (along with axioms), but with not necessarily knowing what the object's base ring is (or if it even has one), I couldn't get this to work easily. In particular, the category containment checking had trouble differentiating between when something was in Algebras(Rings()) and Algebras(ZZ)` IIRC. So I'm +1 for moving completely to singleton categories.

[pjbruin]

comment:5

This seems to work fine in SageMath 9.1.beta8:

sage: GF(2)^2
Vector space of dimension 2 over Finite Field of size 2
sage: CyclicPermutationGroup(10).algebra(GF(5))
Algebra of Cyclic group of order 10 as a permutation group over Finite Field of size 5

[dimpase]

comment:6

time heals many things :-)

[tobiasdiez]

It seems this is still there, only more hidden now: #39154