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Introduce config to allow for password complexity #5727
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Introduce config to allow for password complexity #5727
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Hey @nashby if I could please request a review 😄 |
Polite bump @nashby @carlosantoniodasilva 😇 |
how about modify the following configurations in the initializer file as below? config.password_complexity = {
upper: 1, # At least 1 uppercase letter
lower: 2, # At least 2 lowercase letters
digit: 3, # At least 3 digits
special: 4, # At least 4 special characters
} |
Thanks @datpmt seems like an elegant solution ✅ One issue which I could see arise however could be a clash between this and password length minimums? For ex, if you set the above, but stuck with the default 8 character minimum, you couldn't satisfy all the configured preferences. I think something like this could use your nicer syntax but also be more ergonomic with the wider validation system: config.password_complexity = {
upper: true, # require upper
lower: false, # don't require lower
digit: true, # require digit
special: true, # require special character
special_characters: ["!", "?", "@", "\"]
} What do you think? |
config.password_complexity = {
upper: true, # require upper
lower: false, # don't require lower
digit: true, # require digit
# special: true, # redundant
special_characters: ["!", "?", "@", "\"] # empty <=> special: false
} @kykyi Ah I see. Cool! Let do it! 👍 |
@datpmt updated to use your dict style ✅ |
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def with_password_requirement(requirement, value) | ||
# Change the password requirement and restore it after the block is executed | ||
original_password_complexity= User.public_send("password_complexity") | ||
original_value = original_password_complexity[requirement] |
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Useless assignment to variable - original_value
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Sorry for stirring the pot but I wanted to cross-post an opinion that presence of upper-cased letters, special characters and numbers has very little to do with password strength and what really contributes to the password strength is the length of the password. I'm genuinely worried that enforcing these password requirements from default will only contribute to poor user experience and potentially less secure passwords overall More context - rails/rails#53984 (comment) Upd: I overlooked the fact that all these requirements are disabled by default which is good. So perhaps it's still useful for applications that have to comply with regulations that are out of their control. I just don't think that setting these requirements should be encouraged |
Agreed @nvasilevski I think whilst this change pushes users to increase the entropy of their passwords, setting these and forgetting could lead devs into a false sense of security ➕ |
I agree with @nvasilevski - here's a specific argument against complexity requirements from the UK's National Cyber Security Centre: https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/collection/passwords/updating-your-approach#PasswordGuidance:UpdatingYourApproach-Donotusecomplexityrequirements Recommend closure of the issue for Devise |
Picking up on a friendly invitation @nvasilevski given here I do not believe that what you write is wrong, the contrary, I believe some very valid points have been made. I am, as probably also you, sure that we are going towards a mixture of MFA and / or passwordless login and that's overall a good thing, but the environments around us are frequently not there yet. The problem is the world:
I would also mention that the Password Guidance of the NCSC that you linked is not the only opinion and as much as I love the UK, this guideline is derived from NIST. The reasoning behind it was that statistics had shown that strong requirements create weaker user generated passwords: But all of there guidance needs to be seen in context of the remaining document that advises also:
I think @kykyi made a great PR covering everything from configurability to effective resolution of the issue, maybe you could give it a look with different eyes (fearing weak integrations instead of fearing false sense of security) and we add some lines into documentation to make this a better PR covering also that the entire UTF-8 character set is only as great as the password length. I'd really appreciate a feedback from you guys on this and I really appreciate what you are doing here, just keep in mind that stuff like NIST / NCSC guidelines are forward looking and not backward looking and need to be seen in context of the entire document. In a perfect world we would all have a password manager and OTP token for every password, but well, we all have grandmothers / fathers and parents having issues remembering 5 letters, alfanumeric or not, struggling to use a password manager. Given what devise is, it should have everything on board to make an informed decision on this topic and implement it. |
Thanks for the perspective and for weighing in @fthobe 🙏 . I'll reopen and wait for a maintainer to merge/comment/close just so the issue can be resolved 😄 |
Actually @nvasilevski did not obligate you to close it, sometimes things need some time to get traction and sometimes topics move in waves. Be patient, open source is neither fast nor democratic 😅 |
@timdiggins Hey, I would be super interested in your oppinion on my comment :) |
Ping @nvasilevski @datpmt @timdiggins Could you retake a look at this PR and the comments made above. |
First of all, I completely agree that the length of a password significantly impacts its strength. In fact, many websites and company security policies require users to apply complexity rules to their passwords. This means that web applications using I believe |
@datpmt Is this PR for you acceptable or does it need additional work? |
@fthobe Im not a maintainer/committee here so my 10c isn't worth so much 😀 A pragmatic response: My sense is that there isn't much maintainer involvement and devise is going into decline - there are CI-fix and bug fix PRs that have had no maintainer involvement so I don't think there's feature development will gain any traction. |
@timdiggins a lot of stuff still relies on it so we need to work with what we have. I honestly think it's a very mature product. Anyhow I'd really appreciate your opinion. @carlosantoniodasilva does this PR have a shot to be integrated? |
I will take the time to run it locally and provide a review as soon as possible. |
@nashby what can be done to bring this over the finish line? |
Yes please!!! |
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# require_upper: false, | ||
# require_lower: false, | ||
# require_digit: false, | ||
# special_characters: "!?@#$%^&*()_+-=[]{}|:;<>,./" |
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IMHO: We shouldn't limit the list of allowed special characters, even if this is only a suggestion because it isn't enabled by default. If the user is able remember and write any of this characters «∑€®†Ω¨⁄øπ•±å‚∂ƒ©ªº∆@œæ‘≤¥≈ç√∫~µ∞…»„‰¸˝ˇÁÛØ∏°ÅÍ™ÏÌÓıˆflŒÆ’≥‡ÙÇ◊‹›˘˛÷—
(just examples), we should make sure they can be used with suggested default.
What's wrong with asking for any non word character? Something like \W
/\W/ - A non-word character ([^a-zA-Z0-9_]). – https://ruby-doc.org/core-2.5.8/Regexp.html#class-Regexp-label-Character+Classes
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Thanks for the suggestion, updated the code, looks much cleaner now 🙏
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Hey @salzig I really appreciate this, but we do not all have identical systems. Special character support is not universal and some characters simply do not work everywhere.
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Sure, not all work everywhere, but the default should not reduce security in unnecessary manner. Special characters is still configurable.
Edit: @kykyi why did you remove the option to alter the special characters? If we add this at all, it’s a sadly necessary flexibility to reduce special characters to a specific list. It’s just the default that should not limit too hard.
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Ok I can revert to allow a configurable list of special chars
I think it's good to question the default of 6 to 128 characters, especially since it is configurable it should maybe suggest a more "demanding" default of at least 12 characters. But I don't like this implementation. There are multiple ways to have secure passwords, enforcing one way would reduce the number of possible passwords that any user could use. Suggesting a naive at least one character of 4 character-classes isn't considered the single best approach, so we shouldn't use it as suggestion. If there is any specific requirement you have to comply with, use a specific password validator. Maybe it would be good to have gems like To describe it more dystopian: Attackers would be happy to know that with a devise application there is a good chance the password is following a specific pattern. If we want to improve the security of users using applications build with devise, we shouldn't make it easier for attackers. Which means making it harder for attackers should be our top priority. Want to make it harder for attackers? Rate-Limit the login per user. -> have a look into Rack::Attack or similar.
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@salzig thank for your joining the conversation. I believe all your points are valid and that this PR does not represent the ultimate solution, but simply throws something most of us do anyway in a standardised procedure. Right now most devise installations (especially those using spree or solidus) and plenty of other apps using transaction relevant data or even store cc tokens will have one or another way to raise the complexity scheme of passwords. In my school of thought, creating outcome variability in the way that this done does not ease maintenance or security and having this standardised might not be perfect but a step forward. |
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to be validated in :validatable with lower case, upper case, numbers, and configurable special character presence to be validated on.
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Hey all, I've updated the README and included an updated for \W based on your suggestion @salzig 🙏 I agree this PR won't make passwords on Devise impenetrable. But given how Devise is an out-of-the-box, batteries-included solution for auth, I think these changes set a minimum level of password complexity which (along with an increase in min password length) pushes users of Devise applications to use better passwords. |
@nashby and @carlosantoniodasilva |
If the real intend is to increase the default security without arguing about what way of enforcing patterns would be the best, than you should support #5685. That really helps the default a lot. And we don't have to stop argue about how we can improve even further, but that one is really the base to having a more modern default. |
Man, you wouldn't believe how much I agree with you, I know this seems like a crusade. But I feel like I can be for long passwords and at the same time believe that many people due to external requirements need password policies and that we should find a default implementation for this. |
…lso provide a configurable list of special chars
password_complexity[:allowed_special_characters] | ||
end | ||
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def password_contains_special_character |
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Looks great to me @kykyi
But I'd really prefer also @salzig and @gregmolnar to look over this.
The argument is that there should be a standardised approach to implementing password complexity requirements. But this will be default disabled in Devise. Why not in a separate gem ? The presence of five config options also implies there is no standardisation. |
hey @kuahyeow , thank you for participating in the discussion. As outlined above >10m Downloads of gems adding this functionality clearly indicate that the need of 30% of Devise installations is exactly this feature. I fail to see yet one topic related argument why we can’t reduce implementation variability by adding exactly this. All I read is arguing how longer passwords are better completely missing the Problem: having Code fragmentation for such a basic Feature in one of the most sensitive parts of the rails ecosystem. |
30% is an argument for a separate Gem, not for inclusion. IMHO: only something used by ~80-90% of the users should be considered for inclusion. It's just more source code the maintainers have to work with, and there is already a lot. |
Throwing this into the ring, not by any means peer reviewed or backed by data, but since devise is kind of a roll-your-own Auth0 in some respects, I wanted to share that they define complexity like this:
So these changes would give devise similar configurability which would be Good at minimum by their standard. https://auth0.com/docs/authenticate/database-connections/password-strength |
Putting a +1 to this, as it would have come in handy for our app, I will have to implement by hand for now. |
In relation to #5591
This PR introduces application config to allow for password complexity to be granularly managed with new validation options for:
These are all
false
by default, and configurable like:Note